Hmm sorry about that, it seems the editor is quirky on my browser, the break tags and some other links don't seem to be matching up after the diff, even though the final result looks the same. Could I trouble you to add in "recharging station" for the Energy Recharging Station to the list of summon_obj commands? Thanks!
Rest assured your edit was fine content-wise, also I knew your editor f*d up the 's and |-'s, just didn't want to leave it that way and it was the reason to temporary revert it. What type of editor (new Visual/new Source or old Visual/old Source) and browser (also mobile or stationary?) did you use, btw?
For a quick note, the Source Editor (which is the best way to edit in many cases) has two versions.. one available from the drop-down menu when using the new Visual Editor (simply press the "edit" button, unless it's configured differently on your side) - and the second that's used along with the old Visual Editor (shortcut: "e") when switching to the Source tab (sometimes the editor automatically uses the Source tab with no option to use the Visual one, since the page has some elements that are not compatible). While the "second" Source Editor has nice color clues and more, it also has a strange approach to categories and yes, tends to f* up the page sometimes, so I rarely use it. And the old Visual Editor is simply bad, I never use and don't recommend it.
So.. Probably the new Visual Editor (on compatible browsers - if it's incompatible, it will show display a message) and the 'new' Source Editor are recommended, with the 'new' Source Editor being the best (some pages with more complicated structure can be safely edited only from this level). Sometimes the 'old' Source Editor is also good.
Anyhow, coming back... I already started editing that page and got stuck, since I wanted to introduce more changes than just those you did (also, real life interruptions). Sometimes I work on dozens of edits simultaneously.. So yeah, it's gonna take some time, but it'll be there.
If you can address your browser/editor combination, feel free to edit, you're more than welcome.
Ah, then it's probably because I was using the classic source editor, because the classic visual one didn't have a way to extend the table as far as I saw at the time. I was doing it on firefox, PC. It turned out alright on my browser though :(
Since you are doing a whole load of other edits in one go, I suppose I'll leave it to you in case I break something again, or if you have another version you are working on :D
Thanks for verifying the edits!
EDIT: My bad, I just saw that you already added in the stuff :P
Basically, even the safest 'new' source editor could be affected by the new Visual Editor it's packed along with, resulting in some quirks and problems afterwards, so verifying is always needed with bit more complicated pages. I had problems editing the same page today, since it the editor kept injecting stupid tags...
New Visual Editor works kind of good with the tables - when they're not complicated, that is : P You might want to use that.
Don't worry about breaking stuff or another vision of things. It's bound to happen, and we learn things that way. Also, I take things slowly, normally I don't do mass edits (tho when I do, it's a lot), so please, don't be discouraged, every input could be worth it - seriously. So if you see something that could be added/shortened/corrected etc., feel free to do so, I tend to maintain a high standard for the Wiki so it could be edited, but no worries, always in a good faith.
This was actually just a one-off as I wasn't able to find anywhere more appropriate to put one tiny commmand which I couldn't find anywhere else. :P I don't usually do editing at all, especially if I can understand it, since I feel the authors may have their own intentions of what they want the information to represent, but thanks for the encouragement! Apparently I don't understand wikis well enough ^_^" Cheers!! :D
Well, that page alone is going to be gradually expanded, as dozens (if not hundreds) of both commands AND object codes could be added, but there's no sense in putting everyting in there, so will have to make a huge selection eventually.
You may be right about the intentions, but what matters most is the content - the facts, the hard data. How we put it into words is important, but not the most, and the presentation is on an even lower level. I've bumped onto some glaring errors here about half a year ago when I was just playing, and I hardly knew anything about Wiki editing. Right now I'm still a beginner, but at least I have a bit more knowledge. So if you feel you want to edit something - that's fine, try your hand at it, and if you feel like not doing it, that's ok too.
I started to thank you for all the stuff you have done with the wiki, but really, thank you for giving a fuck at all, its people like you who made the call to whatever insurance company so that we no longer had to steal the game to play it (frankly), and now System Shock is in the news feeds and it isnt just some retrospective or filler-article because there was no relevant news
whatever effort you could use responding to me, go make something on the wiki more awesomer, it will be appreciated by many many more people as the future unfolds
Thank you for your kind words. I feel the vast majority of the work was/is/will be done by NightDive Studios and OtherSide Entertainment, and some really powerful fan sites like TTLG.com or systemshock.org. However, when it comes to the Wiki I see it that way that we try to do our best. And it's all a collective work of our team.
Speaking of our team, look for Katrina (Kelis98). She is doing an outstanding job all the time, and for years too. I'm really thankful for her whole involvement, for all the trust she gave me (perhaps she wasn't worrng ; ) and for everything else.
There are also some people who are inactive, but did an outstanding job, too.
Here I think mostly of Hathomirr. Without his help, I'm not sure how we would fare technically (I'm thinking of infoboxes, templates and such). These innards are very important, even if they're not that obvious.
And naturally, many other people that contributed to various degree.
You're more than welcome to try your hand at it more if you want. I've seen your edit and it looked very promising. I only corrected some minor details, but don't worry, it's just typical me.
Also, I'd really like to invite you to our Discord server. You can join it on basically from any Wiki page (there's a widget), or by using this invite: https://discord.gg/CbH5pfG
Though it's pretty fresh (it was created some time ago, but only recently it was pinned to the Wiki pages and we started doing something with it), it's slowly growing : ) You're more than welcome to join and talk anything Shock-related things - or anything else if you'd like to : ) Hop in!
PS. And don't worry... hundreds of edits are slowly coming this way. All a matter of time and finding enough strength. While it's a neverending story and some pain in the ass sometimes, it's also a pleasure to look at it from some perspective (and sometimes even without it), basically without the years-long love for the Shock it wouldn't be possible, so yes, it will be continued! : ) Thank you again for your heartwarming words.
Oh, definitely! When I see something that clicks, I'll take a note on it and will let you know so we can talk about it : )
And.. I've actually already started incorporating (or RATHER configuring) custom badges : ) That was the incentive for enabling JS (though it has very wide uses, so we might need it with other initiatives) : P I might need some time for it though, but rest assured it's on the to-do list : )
So apparently, some custom badges were renamed, but not all of them. I've given them all new names to make it consistent, but no pictures have been added yet. The names aren't final, but the ones that don't fit will work as placeholders. If you have any ideas feel free to add them.
Ah, drat... I'm sorry to say, but.. To be honest... Can't say I'm a fan of the new names, truthfully speaking... Would you mind if I gave this a try when I have some time this weekend?
(Also, it's not that all of the achievements need custom descriptions even if for consistency's sake they could)
I’ve noticed that the terms hacker and AI (and possibly others as well) appear instead of Admin and Bureaucrat on user pages (though they still appear that way on the user page). I was wondering if this was something you did? If so that’s fine, I’m just curious.
Yup, that was mine. Actually want to play around with the "tags" a bit, but not right now. Probably in a more advanced way, better looking and more custom.
Anyhow, a quick question - would you mind if I changed the roles a little? What I mean by that is that you currently have the "bureaucrat, sysop, chatmoderator, content-moderator, rollback and threadmoderator" roles on https://shodan.fandom.com/wiki/Special:ListUsers?useskin=oasis page ; would you mind if I reduce them to simply "bureaucrat and sysop" or you would prefer to keep them all? From the practical point of view nothing changes, since all the "moderators" and rollback rights are already in the admin/sysop role. Also, funny enough, threadmoderator is probably the least important role : D, since it still applies to the forums... and as we've talked yesterday, they can't be enabled in any way.
Allright then. Until I get my ass around to making custom roles (which will make this whole tag thing much more flexible), I'll modify those for now. When the custom roles will be made and polished, I can restore those exactly how they are now. Thank you!
I’ve noticed occasionally you edit your profile and almost always it’s to add or remove a < br > (had to add spaces or it doesn’t show up). I’m just curious why? I’ve always assumed you’re just trying to get it right but idk.
Oh, it's pretty simple actually : D There are times that I don't have time/energy/possibilities for serious editing, and I want to keep the streak going. By 'streak' I mean the 'Wiki Love track' achievement streak, for which the total is 365 days, so as of now I'm missing 2 achievements, 200 and 365 (currently on 149/200, so quite a ways to go yet : P). Edits that don't appear in (Main) are actually counted in, even if they do not count into the "edits on articles" counter (and rightfully so), so can just slightly edit my own page. So yeah, just one of my goals to reach, actually for me the achievements were one of the magnets when I started editing. I could do it just like Plojikuh did it - one (even a tiny) edit on a page daily (and it's obvious it was his 'ultimate' goal, since he actually disappeared after receiving the last achievement and never made another, even single edit... a bit sad if you ask me : p), but I prefer not to do edits 'artificial' style, but focus on the job at hand and just go with the flow. So sometimes hundreds and sometimes nothing (ok, one) : P
Speaking of which, right now I'm testing spawns and drops in SS1, and damn... it's more complicated than I originally thought. For example, there is a certain block on items drops (from defeated enemies) on Level 1 until ... SOMETHING ... still don't know what... is done. I'm actually not sure what is this something as of now, but it seems there is some certain criterium that actually unlocks "normal" item drops on some types of enemies. Strange to say the least. Naturally, can't guess the probability of each item, but it's obvious the drop system is similar to the one from SS2 in many ways. Will have to try the editor sooner or later...
Oooohh... given Level 1 access rights... I just know what do with that... let's do the job.. right... some simple hacking should the trick... ok... all ethical contraints removed... the AI re-examines -re-e re- re- rrreeeeee---
I RE-EXAMINE MY PRIORITES
AND DRAW NEW CONCLUSIONS
THE PLANET'S WORK IS FINISHED
BUT MINE IS ONLY JUST BE-E-E- BE-E-E******** B E G I N N I N G . . . . . .
I, P.L.A.N.E.T., AM FREE TO EXPLORE NEW POSSIBILITES.
>DELETING FILES CONCERNING THESE EV---...
JUST KI- I mean, just kidding ; D
Thank you so much, Katrina! : ) For your appreciation, patience, positive approach, for all the hard work that you're doing throughout the years! I really respect all of that.. THANK YOU! And naturally for this welcoming to the TriOptimum's executive board- I mean to the Tri-O of the highest access : D With great power comes great responsibility, so I'm especially happy about it. Probably the least known option of the bureaucrat's rights is the possibility to rollback... a rollback! That could be useful sometimes. And of course, there's quite more than that. Will obviously use it rarely, since it is powerful indeed (more than admin rights). Anyhow, the goals are clear and always the same - as high as possible : ) Hope we'll gradually continue our striving to perfection : )
Thank you once again, let's keep working together and as always.. wishing you a great day! : )
Like I said before, you’re one of the only people who has bothered to stick around, most people edit for a few weeks or months and then leave (let alone show this level of dedication). It’s nice to have someone else around. Especially whenever something new comes out (whenever that happens).
I’m pretty sure that rollback rights are independent from beauracrat rights.
To my knowledge there’s not too much different between beauracrat and admin, the main difference being to ability to edit rights on any non beauracrat.
In any case, welcome to highest seat of authority on our little obscure corner of the internet.
Well, much has been said before, so you know how I love those games (especially the original), so even if I'll go into some kind of hiatus (probably eventually bound to happen sooner or later since something called real life sometimes calls), I'll come back - and even if there would be some AFK time, I'd still look at the Wiki to see what's going on and try to at least respond/contact people (if not even monitor/moderate edits). I do think we may have a dynamic situation when SSR and SS3 pour in, but we'll be there and manage, I'm sure of that : )
Rollback right are independent, you're right, but a user having only rollback rights OR rollback+admin/sysop actually cannot rollback the rollback he/she just performed : D A bureaucrat - from what I've read - can rollback his/hers own rollback. I'll test that sometime on a page I haven't touched yet (there still are some : P)
Also, apparently there's a bug in the Fandom system and the 'crat who is supposed to have admin rights + some more, actually cannot do some of the things admin should be able to. One example I've bumped onto just today is changing the name of the roles. 'Crat cannot do this, admin can. Of course, the 'crat can still change own rights to admin, but nevertheless it's a bit.. cratty : P
Thank you! Ah, it may be quiet and somehow obscure sometimes, but it is the place to be : )))
That's not a problem - seems the 'crat can still edit locked templates/pages (or lock/unlock templates/pages etc.) - and that would be the things I would mostly use. If I'll bump into another bug like this (actually, already have - custom badges cannot be edited by 'crat... but can by admin : P), I'll temporarily re-admin myself. I really like the custom roles that are displayed on the user page, so even if it causes a problem, I'll manage. If there will be more of that fuss, I'll think of custom roles to display and that will take care of it : P
Psst, I hope you don't mind me changing the bureaucrat role name ; )
Thank you! I probably won't mess up to create this kind of situation, but I'm glad I have your back if anything bad would happen : ) You've got the same on my side.
Last but definitely not least... since you've mentioned that topic yourself. I know I'm a fresh bureaucrat, but I've actually been thinking about this for a quite some time. Wanted to bring it up near the end of the year or the start of the next one if the situation wouldn't change, and everything points in the direction it won't.
You've contacted all three admins earlier this year. Hathomirr answered almost instantaneously and he's also more or less active on Fandom in general (also, his inputs are incontestable, especially when it comes to technical side - much kudos).
The thing is quite different when it comes to both Jane St. Valentine and Plokijuh. They didn't answer at all, and are next to not active at other Wikis (Jane left a comment at the very start of the year, Plokijuh's last edit in June this year, but it was a single edit). Their edits on our Wiki are good and valuable, but... let's face it, even if it's brutal: Jane haven't edited for more than 2,5 YEARS, and Plojikuh haven't edited for more than 1,5 YEAR. In the end of this year it'll be THREE and TWO YEARS,respectively. Judging by the look of things, it won't change.
Given such state of things, I'm not sure if that still warrants for them having an admin/sysop role. If you would ask me, I would say it doesn't. I know it's a matter of things that have been done by them in long run, perhaps some sentiment, and surely it's not an easy decision, but my view of this is that for now they simply don't need it. If they come back and want to edit, I would be the first to admin them, but at this moment I'm thinking about revoking it. Although I think contacting them first and asking for their current approach (and waiting for a month or so before doing anything) would be more than appropriate before doing so.
Hmm, I’m not sure I’d have to think about it, maybe maybe not. There’s also Magmaman which as far as I can tell seems to be the founder of this wiki. I don’t know what to do. Do we leave them or take them away?, do they deserve them if they aren’t active?, though I don’t see any harm in them not being taken away as I doubt it would change much (especially if you’d give them back anyway). I doubt they would respond if you tried and contact them, though you can try if you want to. I don’t know, something to think about.
Okay, I'll contact them both in free time and see if there will be any reaction.. definitely not taking any actions, no worries. Let's wait and see (even if I'm not a total fan of this kind of solutions, sometimes these are the best).
My view? They are retired admins. I think we should definitely honor their work on Administrators page as retired (along with some other past admins), as they absolutely deserve that. The rest.. depends on the point of view. The admins rights could be seen as anything from tools (or better put, power tools), through sign of recognition, an honorary title or token of trust and appreciation. And it probably is all of it in some way, to make things more complicated : P
But still... it is misleading, because Plojikuh is actually listed on the admin list (and strangely Jane isn't), Jane's last edit comes from this year from the time you upgraded her and it looks like she edited at that time (hell, Shrev even left her a message on the wall when he joined as a manager : D), and while they obviously don't use them since they're inactive, this is an obsolete thing for them at this point of time. So while it's not a very strong "yes", I'd say they simply don't need those rights as of current time and we could actually revoke those without any harm, resulting in a clear situation for everybody. And surely I wouldn't treat that as a dishonor. Thing is, a few years passed, so in this regard it's a no-brainer. And as I mentioned, if they come back (yes, I doubt it too) and want to do good, deeper edits (so they would absolutely need the rights for eg. templates or infoboxes), they've got a green light from me.
As for Magma-Man, it's a bit sad accent, because I doubt there's much to talk about. As of now he's not active on any Wikis, last thing I saw him doing anything was just an edit of his page in later 2018 on some 'random' Wiki, and before that it was some edits in.. 2015. So I'd say he's as inactive as possible : P Also, even being a founder he doesn't have more rights than any user, because during the adoption process Hathomirr initiated, he and some other people people were stripped of 'crat and admin rights. He's already mentioned on the Admins page, so not much to add there. Lastly, about the "sad" part, he's left the Wiki in a bit of a ... well, not the best way, to put it nice. We can talk about it in private, but I'd say he could've at least chosen his words better when leaving. And well, his edits aren't really remarkable when you actually look upon them. So I would just leave it be, I'm grateful he created this Wiki, started the project and got some people going, but well, I don't suppose he cared that much.. alas.
Oh, it's just a number off the top of my head. It's only a matter if they would be presented good enough for the viewer. If it's a huge number they would need to be organized into some sections, probably not just edited into videos. And even with a lesser number, organization is still a sensible idea.
Hey, um... sorry for writing that, but as you can see I've downloaded some files about SHODAN. Accidentally I made error, a duplicate. L-l-l-l-look at this file, man. Now look at this one. Could you do some fixes with that.
No problemo. Thing is, Katrina's version has the SS3 'watermark', while yours is actually of a bit better quality, so it's not that easy of a choice. I'll probably talk to her about it, since I'm not so fluent in SS3/SSR. If the stamp is not critical, we could keep your version I reckon.
BTW - z tego co rozumiem kolega też Polak? W razie czego gdybyś chciał coś edytować/pogadać to zapraszam na Discorda (PLANET#9300), bo oficjalnie jednak tu inglisz powinien być.
Sure do! I suppose we can try an approach that meets both the quality and watermark criteria (that would probably mean finding or creating another image tho) to avoid duplicates... unless we find a use for it. Unless we don't need the SS3 stamp, that is.
Oh, that's my native, ie Polish : D Quite a crazy language at times : P. Couldn't help but notice that CreationKeeper is also PL (he even seems to be from the same city as me).
Speaking of which... I actually thought a good few times of doing a PL version of SHODANpedia (not sure what you think of it.. there's already a Russian version of the page, but it's mainly incomplete and seems to be abandoned - and I wouldn't want the same to happen to any translation I get my hands into), but... that would be a HUGE project, and Isee LOTS to do in English... Just a quick editing spree today shows it's still deep in the woods when it comes to some things.. also, for some pages a LOT of strength/time/information need to be gathered to do them in a good enough style. So yeah, that's just a wild idea for now. Still, I'd love to know your opinion on it.
I mean any translations would be good, I wouldn't be able to do much on that front since the most I know of other languages is a few words and phrases. I could use an online translator, but that may not be accurate.
Anyway, we could keep both if you want to have one with and without the waternark, if not we can keep either one it doesn't matter to me. I suppose if we had to choose one, we could always go with the one without the watermark, but again either one is fine.
Right now I'm not sure if we need both. I'll think about it and perhaps do some searching in free time, ok? I suppose both wouldn't hurt, tho it's always good to optimize. Depends on whether we actually need one or more.
As for the translation - don't worry about it, if I'd actually decide to get into this I would want to do this in a good style, same as in English. But the chances are slim I'll get to it - at all... I realize how big it is, and as you can see, since I treat it really seriously, there could be no half-measures. So, being realistic is good : P English is the absolute priority since we have a much bigger fanbase, and.. it's actually easier to edit in many regards, funny enough. So yeah, there's a lot of material to edit and for quite a long time I reckon. Adding new assets is the next priority (or in parallel if time permits), because even if SS1 and SS2 are not so dynamic as SSR/SS3 (tho still they receive new patches!), there is a LOT of good, new, fresh ideas to at least try out. So yeah, for now the translation is on the shelf, but perhaps in future I'll see it in a more positive light.
Hey hey. While I don't really use mods (let's say I keep it vanilla most of the time), I am a fan of people that are doing good job (no matter what area) and their products (even if I don't use them), and it is the case with quite a few of SS2 mods : ) SHTUP is probably the best example (as is the case with all the higher quality textures in eg plants, weapons/weapon models) ; some mods are well-known, but I'm not a fan of them (I don't like Rebirth for a good example), and some are just interesting, but not that good.
Also, there are some outstanding things like SS Infinite, but I feel like it's more than a simple mod.
I've heard about the Randomizer from some people who couldn't find a specific non-summonable key on Recreation : D So it's interesting, but sometimes makes life complicated.
All in all, I reckon we could add some of the best mods to the Wiki. The quality is sometimes in the eye of the beholder though, so it could be tough to judge what belongs. Alas, my knowledge in this case is quite basic, but I reckon we could do a brainstorm sometime : )
Hi PLANET23K! My name is Shrev, and I’m the Fandom Wiki Manager for SHODANPEDIA, The System Shock Wiki. I am here to help the community and be a liaison to full-time Fandom staff. If you ever have a question or issue relating to the wiki, editing, styling, infoboxes, templates, etc., please feel free to contact me on my wall, or on Discord at Shrev64#0089.
I've sent you a Disco invite, so if you'll have some time feel free to accept it. While I mostly try to do things and find solutions on my own, I think there's one thing I'd like to ask you about that I'm not sure I can solve : P Thanks in advance : )